Legislature(2021 - 2022)GRUENBERG 120

02/07/2022 01:30 PM House JUDICIARY

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01:31:13 PM Start
01:31:55 PM HB159
02:23:00 PM Adjourn
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                HB 159-CONSUMER DATA PRIVACY ACT                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:31:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
CS  FOR  HOUSE  BILL  NO.  159(L&C),  "An  Act  establishing  the                                                               
Consumer Data Privacy Act;  establishing data broker registration                                                               
requirements;  making a  violation of  the Consumer  Data Privacy                                                               
Act an unfair  or deceptive trade practice; and  providing for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:32:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ZACK FIELDS,  Alaska State Legislature, introduced                                                               
HB  159, on  behalf  of  the sponsor,  the  House Rules  Standing                                                               
Committee, by request  of the governor.  He noted  that the House                                                               
Labor  and Commerce  Standing  Committee  had spent  considerable                                                               
time refining  the language in the  bill.  To address  the buying                                                               
and  selling of  personal data,  he  said that  data privacy  and                                                               
enforcement  policies   were  reviewed.    He   stated  that  the                                                               
administration has no  further comment on the  current version of                                                               
the bill before the committee.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS   drew  attention   to  slide  2   of  the                                                               
PowerPoint presentation,  titled "HB 159  PowerPoint Presentation                                                               
2.7.2022.pdf" [hard  copy included  in the committee  packet] and                                                               
summarized  the  information  presented, which  read  as  follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     ?  Duty  of  data  brokers  and  businesses  to  inform                                                                    
     consumers  they  will  be collecting  their  data,  and                                                                    
     requiring their consent.                                                                                                   
     ? CSHB  159 creates four consumer  rights governing the                                                                    
     collection and use of their personal data:                                                                                 
     -The right to request what information was collected.                                                                      
     -The  right to  request a  list  of who  that data  was                                                                    
     shared with.                                                                                                               
     -The right  to request that certain  information not be                                                                    
     shared, sold or disclosed.                                                                                                 
     -  The right  to request  for their  information to  be                                                                    
     deleted.                                                                                                                   
     ? It adds protections for  the data of minors: those 13                                                                    
     and younger must  have a parent or  guardian opt-in for                                                                    
     them  or give  explicit  consent  to their  information                                                                    
     being collected.                                                                                                           
     ? Provisions included for  enforcement and enactment of                                                                    
     those rights.                                                                                                              
     ? Protections  for bona fide businesses  not engaged in                                                                    
     sale, disclosure of information.                                                                                           
     ? Allows for  consumers to use a  global privacy signal                                                                    
     or control                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS noted  that the  House Labor  and Commerce                                                               
Standing   Committee  had   received   testimony  from   bankers,                                                               
insurance  companies, and  logistics companies.   These  entities                                                               
expressed   concern   that   the   proposed   legislation   would                                                               
appropriately target  companies that  buy and  sell data.   Also,                                                               
these  stakeholders  suggested  that unnecessary  regulations  be                                                               
avoided,  as this  could  result in  lawsuits  against those  not                                                               
engaged in the buying and selling of data.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:36:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS cited  Article I, Section 22  of the Alaska                                                               
State  Constitution,  which read  "The  right  of the  people  to                                                               
privacy  is  recognized   and  shall  not  be   infringed.    The                                                               
legislature shall implement  this section."  He  pointed out that                                                               
technological  changes  and the  exchange  of  data have  changed                                                               
considerably  since  the  drafting   of  the  constitution.    He                                                               
explained that  some of the world's  largest technology companies                                                               
are engaged  in egregious buying and  selling of data.   He added                                                               
that data  brokers' practices have been  documented and described                                                               
as "parasitic" by whistleblowers.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:38:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS explained  that  data  brokers claim  that                                                               
data collection is anonymous;  however, journalists have revealed                                                               
that aggregation  of data could  de-anonymize the  collected data                                                               
and risk individual  safety.  He provided  a hypothetical example                                                               
of  how an  individual may  be tracked.   He  pointed out  that a                                                               
correlation exists between teen anxiety,  suicide, and the use of                                                               
social  media   products.    He   shared  an  animation   in  the                                                               
presentation  which  depicted how  journalists  at  the New  York                                                               
Times  had tracked  a  Department of  Defense  official by  using                                                               
publicly available  information.  He  pointed out the  risks that                                                               
individuals face  [if their  data is  sold], such  as restraining                                                               
orders,  stalking,  domestic  violence, and  sexual  assault,  as                                                               
these instances have  been documented.  He  expressed the opinion                                                               
that consumers should be permitted  to decide whether to disclose                                                               
personal  data to  technology  companies.   He  noted that  other                                                               
states have legislation regarding  data privacy, and the original                                                               
bill was modeled on California's  legislation.  This included the                                                               
private  right of  action for  enforcement, consumer  rights, and                                                               
employment   protections.      He  stated   that   the   proposed                                                               
legislation's economic  threshold differs for companies  [per the                                                               
law in California].   For the proposed  legislation, data brokers                                                               
would be  limited to receiving  only 50 percent of  their revenue                                                               
from data collection.   This would be in relation  to the data of                                                               
more  than 100,000  people.   He added  that all  other companies                                                               
would not be subject to the proposed law.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS explained that  the private right of action                                                               
[for consumers]  is included in  the language.  He  expressed the                                                               
opinion that no attorney in  Alaska has the expertise to litigate                                                               
against a  company, such as Facebook;  however, aggrieved parties                                                               
would be eligible  to file a class-action lawsuit.   He expressed                                                               
the need for expertise in this area of law within Alaska.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS stated  that enforcement  of the  proposed                                                               
legislation would include  the establishment of a  user fee which                                                               
would be based  on a consumer-privacy account  within the general                                                               
fund.    This  would  be  used  to  build  expertise  within  the                                                               
Department of Law for enforcement.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS  read  from  slide 12,  which  listed  the                                                               
stakeholders who had been consulted  in the drafting of the bill.                                                               
This  included  privacy advocates  and  members  of the  business                                                               
community to ensure a regulatory burden would be avoided.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:47:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAUREEN  MAHONEY,   Senior  Policy  Analyst,   Consumer  Reports,                                                               
provided  invited testimony  in support  of HB  159.   She stated                                                               
that no  federal law exists  to protect the privacy  and security                                                               
of personal data.   She stated that  irresponsible data practices                                                               
exist,  and laws  should be  required.   She argued  that HB  159                                                               
would  provide strong  consumer protections,  while limiting  the                                                               
information  companies can  collect  to only  what is  reasonably                                                               
necessary to provide services to  consumers.  This contrasts with                                                               
the  current practice  of companies  that offer  disclosures with                                                               
incomprehensible privacy  practices.   She expressed  the opinion                                                               
that  the proposed  bill is  better than  those in  other states,                                                               
which are  based on  opt-out models.   This results  in consumers                                                               
being  required  to  opt  out   with  hundreds  or  thousands  of                                                               
individual companies.  She expressed  approval of the definitions                                                               
in the proposed  legislation, as laws exist in  other states with                                                               
definitions  which  allow  companies  to  disregard  the  opt-out                                                               
provision.    She  characterized the  enforcement  provisions  as                                                               
"strong."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:49:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND  questioned  the consumer  data  privacy                                                               
policies in other  states which are considered  "strong," and she                                                               
asked  Representative  Fields whether  a  small  population in  a                                                               
state would impact the market.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS  responded  that  California  passed  data                                                               
privacy laws  several years  ago and has  made changes  each year                                                               
since.  He  offered to follow up to the  committee with the exact                                                               
year in  which California enacted its  law.  He pointed  out that                                                               
the presentation  illustrates the  laws in  California, Colorado,                                                               
Florida,  and  Virginia.   He  added  that  there is  no  pending                                                               
federal legislation  for data privacy protections;  therefore, it                                                               
is  the  prerogative  of  the  states  to  enact  policies.    He                                                               
suggested that  small states  would be  able to  establish strong                                                               
polices with positive impacts.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   FIELDS,  in   response   to   a  question   from                                                               
Representative Eastman, stated that the  bill is sponsored by the                                                               
House Rules  Standing Committee, on  behalf of the governor.   In                                                               
response  to a  follow-up question,  he answered  that the  House                                                               
Labor  and  Commerce  Standing   Committee  adopted  a  committee                                                               
substitute  during its  hearing  of  the bill,  and  this is  the                                                               
reason for the current bill title.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN asked how  the protections proposed in the                                                               
bill compare to those in other states.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:54:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:55:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MAHONEY answered  that, in  her view,  HB 159  would be  the                                                               
strongest  commercial privacy  bill in  the United  States.   She                                                               
pointed  out that  the provision  in the  bill which  limits data                                                               
collection  to  what  is  necessary   for  companies  to  provide                                                               
services  is stronger  than  the  law in  California.   She  also                                                               
characterized  the  enforcement  provisions  as  "strong."    She                                                               
stated that Virginia  and Colorado have passed  an opt-out policy                                                               
which is "weaker" than the provision proposed in HB 159.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   EASTMAN  asked   whether   companies  would   be                                                               
disincentivized  from doing  business  in Alaska  because of  the                                                               
small population size of Alaska  coupled with the strongest data-                                                               
privacy legislation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  answered that no concerns  had been raised                                                               
by members  of the industry,  and he described the  provisions as                                                               
"common sense."  He suggested  that increased consumer confidence                                                               
would benefit the marketplace.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KURKA  acknowledged  that  a need  for  the  bill                                                               
exists and expressed  his concern that the bill may  be "over the                                                               
top" due to its length.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS stated that  technology has advanced faster                                                               
than the  laws governing data.   He suggested that the  number of                                                               
companies involved in data collection has grown.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:01:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN opened public testimony on HB 159.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:01:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL   WARENECKE,   Chief  Counsel,   Entertainment   Software                                                               
Association, stated  that the Entertainment  Software Association                                                               
is a  trade group for  the video game  industry.  He  stated that                                                               
the  industry  has  long  prioritized  privacy  for  children  by                                                               
complying with  the federal Children's Online  Privacy Protection                                                               
Act (COPPA).   He stated  that COPPA regulates the  collection of                                                               
data for children under the age of  13.  He suggested that HB 159                                                               
should be changed to make  it clear businesses should not process                                                               
data  from a  consumer  under the  age  of 15,  unless  it is  in                                                               
conformity  with   COPPA.    Also,  he   suggested  changing  the                                                               
"constructive knowledge"  standard to one of  "actual knowledge."                                                               
He  recommended parental  consent  provisions  should align  more                                                               
with COPPA.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:04:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  EDMONSON,   Vice  President  of  State   Policy,  TechNet,                                                               
testified  in opposition  to HB  159.   He acknowledged  that his                                                               
testimony had been prepared in  response to the original draft of                                                               
the bill, and  he has not taken into  consideration the committee                                                               
substitute before the  committee.  He requested that  the bill be                                                               
amended to align with and  maintain interoperability with federal                                                               
regulations  because of  the borderless  nature of  the internet.                                                               
He recommended the  same consistency in the laws  in Virginia and                                                               
Colorado.   He noted that  the regulations enacted  in California                                                               
have  been  subject  to  rule  making  by  the  state's  attorney                                                               
general,  which would  be further  supplanted  by the  California                                                               
Privacy  Protection  Agency.    He  expressed  concern  with  the                                                               
"private right  of action" provision.   He suggested that  it may                                                               
lead  to large  settlements  for  unintentional behavior,  rather                                                               
than those based on actual harm.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:07:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  ascertained that there  was no one else  who wished                                                               
to testify, and he closed public testimony on HB 159.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:07:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  referred  to   page  10  and  asked  how                                                               
parental consent for a minor would be achieved.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS responded that  the protection of minors is                                                               
an  important  provision in  the  bill.    He drew  attention  to                                                               
subsection  (b),  which  specifies  that  a  business  recklessly                                                               
disregarding the  reasonable likelihood that a  consumer is under                                                               
18 years  of age, is considered  to have the actual  knowledge of                                                               
the consumer's age, and this would necessitate parental consent.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:09:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN questioned  whether, once parental consent                                                               
has been obtained by a  company, would the "reckless" criteria be                                                               
disregarded.  He  referred to page 10, line 20  and asked whether                                                               
the subsection would  apply to tracking the child  or to tracking                                                               
the child's device.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:11:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
THERESA   BANNISTER,  Legislative   Counsel,  Legislative   Legal                                                               
Services, Alaska  State Legislature,  answered that  the language                                                               
in the  subsection might  not address the  tracking of  a minor's                                                               
device; however, she expressed belief  that it would.  She stated                                                               
that the  language could be  updated to reflect this  intent more                                                               
clearly.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SNYDER   referred  to   the  concern   which  was                                                               
expressed  by  public  testimony  regarding  the  "patchwork"  of                                                               
regulations at the state level.   She asked Representative Fields                                                               
to offer his perspective on the testimony.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS answered  that technology companies operate                                                               
in  hundreds of  countries,  and he  expressed  disregard of  the                                                               
concern, as state-level regulations would present challenges.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN suggested that  a "patchwork" of state-by-                                                               
state regulations  would benefit larger technology  companies, as                                                               
smaller  startups   would  be   discouraged  by   the  burdensome                                                               
regulatory requirements  and the necessary resources  to navigate                                                               
them.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  expressed the belief that  the opposite is                                                               
true: large  technology companies  had "squashed"  competition in                                                               
the absence  of regulations.   He opined that  robust regulations                                                               
are necessary to promote competition.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:15:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN noted  that cell phone companies  offer family plans                                                               
with the  billing assigned to one  of the parents.   He asked how                                                               
the proposed  privacy regulations related to  minors would affect                                                               
several phones in the name of one individual.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS answered  that  technology companies  have                                                               
knowledge  of who  is using  a  particular device  based on  data                                                               
collected.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN  asked  whether  the  phone  companies  would  have                                                               
knowledge of who is using a particular phone.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  offered a hypothetical situation  in which                                                               
a minor using a smartphone  would be identified by the technology                                                               
companies  based on  the social  media application  profile.   In                                                               
response  to a  follow-up question,  he expressed  agreement that                                                               
the name on the phone account would be irrelevant.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN asked  whether an  entity, which  did not                                                               
have  a business  relationship with  large technology  companies,                                                               
such as Facebook,  would have access to the  identifying data for                                                               
a minor.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS  responded  that there  exist  nuances  in                                                               
technologies  which  could  make this  information  available  to                                                               
companies.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:18:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TRISTAN WALSH,  Staff, Representative  Zack Fields,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, answered  that, despite  a company lacking  a first-                                                               
hand relationship  with Facebook, it  has been estimated  that 60                                                               
percent of  applications have plugins  with Facebook;  thus, they                                                               
have access  to the information  in this universe.   He expressed                                                               
that second- and third-hand markets are  a cause for the need for                                                               
protection of data.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND  asked how  permission of a  parent would                                                               
be obtained prior  to a minor accessing a website  that the minor                                                               
should be prohibited from accessing.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS allowed  that  technology precision  would                                                               
evolve  and  become  more  practical,  but  the  bill  would  not                                                               
prescribe such a provision.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND noted  the state  constitution's privacy                                                               
protection   provision  and   asked   whether  a   constitutional                                                               
convention should make  changes to the privacy  provision, and if                                                               
this happens, she questioned the effect on the proposed bill.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS  expressed  the belief  that,  unless  the                                                               
constitution is changed to remove  the legislature's authority to                                                               
regulate privacy,  the legislature  would still  regulate privacy                                                               
in the absence of a mandate to do so.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:22:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced that HB 159 was held over.                                                                               

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 159 v. G 2.7.2022.PDF HJUD 2/7/2022 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 159
HB 159 v. G Sponsor Statement 2.3.2022.pdf HJUD 2/7/2022 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 159
HB 159 v. G Sectional Analysis 2.3.2022.pdf HJUD 2/7/2022 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2022 1:00:00 PM
HL&C 2/4/2022 9:00:00 AM
HB 159
HB 159 Summary of Changes from v. I to v. G 2.3.2022.pdf HJUD 2/7/2022 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2022 1:00:00 PM
HL&C 2/4/2022 9:00:00 AM
HB 159
HB 159 Supporting Document - New York Times Article 6.3.2018.pdf HJUD 2/7/2022 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2022 1:00:00 PM
HL&C 12/6/2021 1:00:00 PM
HB 159
HB 159 Supporting Document - The Financial Times Article 1.17.2019.pdf HJUD 2/7/2022 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2022 1:00:00 PM
HL&C 12/6/2021 1:00:00 PM
HB 159
HB 159 Supporting Document - New York Times Article 1.13.2020.pdf HJUD 2/7/2022 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 159
HB 159 Supporting Document - Nature Magazine Mobility Study 3.25.2013.pdf HJUD 2/7/2022 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 159
HB 159 Supporting Document - Vice Article 7.14.2021.pdf HJUD 2/7/2022 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 159
HB 159 Supporting Document - The Verge Article 4.27.2021.pdf HJUD 2/7/2022 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 159
HB 159 PowerPoint Presentation 2.7.2022.pdf HJUD 2/7/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 159
HB 159 Opposing Document - Joint Ad Trade Letter 2.7.2022.pdf HJUD 2/7/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 159